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x ecro x · Apr 23, 2009, 10:53 PM // 22:53

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Originally Posted by Ritualist Of God

ranger is not a damage dealing profession at all thats why its ranged. btw burning = condition gg and Rt/R Spirits Strength Splint Volley x3 Splint Barrage? or GreatDwarfWeapon = Pwnage. So in the bow for damage department Rt pwnz Ran. And dervish are enchant tanks. taking what the warriors didnt have. Energy and enchants and using those instead of stances and shouts. So paragon took Ranger and War and merged. Dervish is probably Sin and Monk? Who knows but Anet. Id say Dervish is more fun cause being a bowman is kinda boring but mobbing up a big group and swinging your scythe watching yourself slaughter like the grim reaper. own

gg -Rit <3

IMO i think this guy is COMPLETELY wrong, ok so rits can spirit strenght volly(to have great dwarf weapon someone else needs btw) but i mean they cant BA turret which was the meta for like for ever & still see alot & does god damage in PvP...
rangers with scythes can OWN so i mean you can get the best of both worlds with ranger ... but make 1 of each & pick which one you like
rangers have better armor that dervs, rangers ave +30 vs elemental

Deirdre Fairhair · Apr 23, 2009, 11:58 PM // 23:58

Hi Pipili

I think both Ranger and Dervish are great professions, and I recommend trying them both! You'll never know which you prefer unless you try. But just an fyi, there aren't many Beastmastery Skills available in NF so if you're wanting a pet, I would recommend waiting to do a ranger until you get either Prophecies or Factions. Otherwise, read up some on the two professions, you can find lots of articles here on both and details about skills on the wiki! Good luck!

Donkey Prince · Apr 24, 2009, 12:43 AM // 00:43

Easiest- Ranger best second prof- mes they my fav class

It really just depends on what kinds of things u like to do

Pipili · Apr 24, 2009, 09:26 AM // 09:26

Thank you all. You were all very helpfull. One more question though: can dervish use bow if i make ranger a secondary profession? And for dervish, is it best to go monk secondary si i can heal myself? What sec. is best for dervish for PVP?

turbo234 · Apr 24, 2009, 09:51 AM // 09:51

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Originally Posted by Pipili

Thank you all. You were all very helpfull. One more question though: can dervish use bow if i make ranger a secondary profession? And for dervish, is it best to go monk secondary si i can heal myself? What sec. is best for dervish for PVP?

this is a big mistake people make when trying to pvp without any experience. do not bring a bunch of self heals if you aren't a dedicated healer like a monk. being able to kill faster and better is much more effective. besides you will have(or should) have a healer on the team so it would be thier job to keep you alive while you deal with your job. for ra bring 1 or no self heals if you aren't a rit or monk. for the other types of pvp you rely on the monks to keep you alive.
as for a derv with a bow, not a great combination. there isn't any advantages that a derv would have over a ranger. if anything they would be at a disadvantage because they would have less elemental armor, takes their secondary, and don't have expertise to make your skills cost much less energy.

I'd also like to add that you should check out pvxwiki.com if you aren't sure what types of builds would be effective in pvp.

Catchphrase · Apr 24, 2009, 10:03 AM // 10:03

You can afford to make alot of mistakes with rangers since they have hell lots of stances to save their arse. So its a good profession to start with. The dervish isn't that kind in that aspect since dervish is a mix of melee, enchantment-reliant and casting profession, so it sort of has more Achilles' heels than the ranger. It is safe to say that dervish has a steeper learning curve than a ranger unless you're going for interruption route with your ranger.

Pipili · Apr 24, 2009, 10:43 AM // 10:43

So derv with a bow is possible, but not smart?

And what secondary prof is best for derv overall, for pvp and pve? I want high DPS and AOE. Give me some suggestions...

Slasher of Darkness · Apr 24, 2009, 11:05 AM // 11:05

well, I totally enjoy my dervish but recently wanted to think about ranger also but I thought that...nvm..I like doing big numbers of damage, and thats what i can do on my derv.. Best prof...well, D/Any is good when beginner, also its good to be a D/W for [Wild Blow] or [Protector's Strike] or any of that kinda stuff

Pipili · Apr 24, 2009, 11:11 AM // 11:11

Any specific dervish secondary that has lots of AOE? I love AOE.

Slasher of Darkness · Apr 24, 2009, 11:39 AM // 11:39

well...Derv itself has the AoE through the scythe

and dervs are better in melee than using aoe spells

Arctica · Apr 24, 2009, 11:56 AM // 11:56

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Originally Posted by Pipili

Any specific dervish secondary that has lots of AOE? I love AOE.

Try out [mark of pain] or [chilling victory]

Anyway, while ranger has a lot more survivability, they have capable of dealing less AOE damage then a dervish. On the other hand, dervishes rely heavily on their enchantements and have less effective defensive skills, therefore they need good backline healers. They are capable of dealing insane amount of damage with their scythe though.

I would also recommend you to try out both and decide yourself. Both are great professions.

Verene · Apr 24, 2009, 12:58 PM // 12:58

I'm going to disagree strongly on Dervishes having a steeper learning curve, lacking defensive skills, and relying more on healers.

Yes, the profession tends to rely heavily on enchantments, and enchantment stripping can leave you sunk. But let's face it - EVERYTHING has some sort of weakness.

I tend to play the game more recklessly and don't exactly be careful, and I didn't end up with my first death on my Dervish until I was like level 15 or 16. They are, of the classes with midline armor, the easiest to keep alive, in my opinion. You can use enchants to basically do anything from increase armor, increase speed, increase IAS, snare, spread effects, block, make attacks unblockable, boost the damage you do...and also self-heal. Dervishes have some amazing self-heals. When I'm playing and something goes wrong, I'm always the last one standing, and I can generally go for a long while then before going down as well, too. When I'm able to clear out Dreadnought's Drift by myself (because my H/h were being suicidal) with my standard build...yeah.

Personally, I run Monk as my secondary. Condition removal FTW.

Kendil · Apr 24, 2009, 01:05 PM // 13:05

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Originally Posted by Pipili

Any specific dervish secondary that has lots of AOE? I love AOE.

The scythe gives a lot of AoE, so use melee +damage attacks or go with ele and an elemental scythe to make use of conjure flame (or frost or lightening).
Or try out the necromancer hexes that triggers on physical damage (althought a necro in the party will probably be better at this, cause you'll need to save your attribute points and energy for other stuff).

A barrage ranger can do decently AoE damage with pretty much the same tactic.

If you like AoE an elementalist is a good character in the fire magic line, but for that to be effective you need to go primary ele... (just a little side note)

And another side note: Make your own builds, because you'll be able to run your own builds much better.
A perfect build in hands that don't know how to use it is worthless compared to a decent build in the hands that has created it.

Catchphrase · Apr 24, 2009, 04:28 PM // 16:28

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Originally Posted by Verene

I'm going to disagree strongly on Dervishes having a steeper learning curve, lacking defensive skills, and relying more on healers.

Yes, the profession tends to rely heavily on enchantments, and enchantment stripping can leave you sunk. But let's face it - EVERYTHING has some sort of weakness.

I tend to play the game more recklessly and don't exactly be careful, and I didn't end up with my first death on my Dervish until I was like level 15 or 16. They are, of the classes with midline armor, the easiest to keep alive, in my opinion. You can use enchants to basically do anything from increase armor, increase speed, increase IAS, snare, spread effects, block, make attacks unblockable, boost the damage you do...and also self-heal. Dervishes have some amazing self-heals. When I'm playing and something goes wrong, I'm always the last one standing, and I can generally go for a long while then before going down as well, too. When I'm able to clear out Dreadnought's Drift by myself (because my H/h were being suicidal) with my standard build...yeah.

Personally, I run Monk as my secondary. Condition removal FTW.

Dreadnought' Drift proves nothing. A decent dervish can VQ it with little problems. The ones that greatly illustrate a dervish weakness would be for example RoF mission HM. The towers not only strip enchantments but also depletes your energy fast. Granted I strongly doubt you will be loading you bar with huge amounts of defensive enchantments such as Mystic Regeneration, Vital Boon, Watchful Intervention etc. Because in the end, you're sacrificing your potent offensiveness to cover your own arse instead. That is highlighted very well by your experience quoted in bold. Instead of slotting in Faithful Intervention you could instead slot in Save Yourself which benefit the whole party and relive your monks of certain pressure so they can better heal and prot you. Frontlining is never as simple as it is since your duty is to divert the mob's attention onto you. If your party is dying, then you're just not doing your job good enough.

gremlin · Apr 25, 2009, 07:51 AM // 07:51

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Originally Posted by Pipili

So derv with a bow is possible, but not smart?

And what secondary prof is best for derv overall, for pvp and pve? I want high DPS and AOE. Give me some suggestions...

Since you change skills and tactics depending on the enemy group you face sometimes using a bow will be a good idea.

I happen to like a dervish with a bow for fighting undead Holy Barrage is very effective esp as I use my avatar dervish skill to make me immune to conditions like poison.
I don't remember if Barrage is accessable in eye so don't take that as possible till you check.

I don't play much pvp and that is a tougher proposition than pve far less forgiving.

pve is predictable you know in advance the skills and abilities of your enemy and can customise a build to beat them.

In pvp you will meet players with access to every skill in the game that makes them really tough, you will just have to become very good at what you can do.
If pvp proves to be what you want to play most of the time you may have to look at the pvp skill packs.

good luck anyway

Pipili · Apr 25, 2009, 10:20 AM // 10:20

But with dervish i CAN have ALL skills, if i have NF and EOTN, right?

Arctica · Apr 25, 2009, 12:13 PM // 12:13

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Originally Posted by Pipili

But with dervish i CAN have ALL skills, if i have NF and EOTN, right?

Sure, you can have all dervish skill.

As for Barrage, i am pretty sure that it can be captured in NF, too.

Apr 24, 2009, 10:43 AM // 10:43	#27
Pipili Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Apr 2009	So derv with a bow is possible, but not smart? And what secondary prof is best for derv overall, for pvp and pve? I want high DPS and AOE. Give me some suggestions... Last edited by Pipili; Apr 24, 2009 at 10:53 AM // 10:53..

Apr 23, 2009, 11:58 PM // 23:58	#22
Deirdre Fairhair Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Dec 2008 Guild: The Cursed Isle of Lodoss (Ldss) Profession: Me/R	Hi Pipili I think both Ranger and Dervish are great professions, and I recommend trying them both! You'll never know which you prefer unless you try. But just an fyi, there aren't many Beastmastery Skills available in NF so if you're wanting a pet, I would recommend waiting to do a ranger until you get either Prophecies or Factions. Otherwise, read up some on the two professions, you can find lots of articles here on both and details about skills on the wiki! Good luck!

Apr 24, 2009, 12:43 AM // 00:43	#23
Donkey Prince Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: NC Profession: R/Me	Easiest- Ranger best second prof- mes they my fav class It really just depends on what kinds of things u like to do

Apr 24, 2009, 09:26 AM // 09:26	#24
Pipili Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Apr 2009	Thank you all. You were all very helpfull. One more question though: can dervish use bow if i make ranger a secondary profession? And for dervish, is it best to go monk secondary si i can heal myself? What sec. is best for dervish for PVP?

Apr 24, 2009, 10:03 AM // 10:03	#26
Catchphrase Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Apr 2009	You can afford to make alot of mistakes with rangers since they have hell lots of stances to save their arse. So its a good profession to start with. The dervish isn't that kind in that aspect since dervish is a mix of melee, enchantment-reliant and casting profession, so it sort of has more Achilles' heels than the ranger. It is safe to say that dervish has a steeper learning curve than a ranger unless you're going for interruption route with your ranger.

Apr 24, 2009, 11:05 AM // 11:05	#28
Slasher of Darkness Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Lots of places~ Profession: D/	well, I totally enjoy my dervish but recently wanted to think about ranger also but I thought that...nvm..I like doing big numbers of damage, and thats what i can do on my derv.. Best prof...well, D/Any is good when beginner, also its good to be a D/W for [Wild Blow] or [Protector's Strike] or any of that kinda stuff

Apr 24, 2009, 11:11 AM // 11:11	#29
Pipili Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Apr 2009	Any specific dervish secondary that has lots of AOE? I love AOE.

Apr 24, 2009, 11:39 AM // 11:39	#30
Slasher of Darkness Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Lots of places~ Profession: D/	well...Derv itself has the AoE through the scythe and dervs are better in melee than using aoe spells

Apr 24, 2009, 12:58 PM // 12:58	#32
Verene Furnace Stoker Join Date: Jan 2009 Guild: [SOTA] Profession: D/	I'm going to disagree strongly on Dervishes having a steeper learning curve, lacking defensive skills, and relying more on healers. Yes, the profession tends to rely heavily on enchantments, and enchantment stripping can leave you sunk. But let's face it - EVERYTHING has some sort of weakness. I tend to play the game more recklessly and don't exactly be careful, and I didn't end up with my first death on my Dervish until I was like level 15 or 16. They are, of the classes with midline armor, the easiest to keep alive, in my opinion. You can use enchants to basically do anything from increase armor, increase speed, increase IAS, snare, spread effects, block, make attacks unblockable, boost the damage you do...and also self-heal. Dervishes have some amazing self-heals. When I'm playing and something goes wrong, I'm always the last one standing, and I can generally go for a long while then before going down as well, too. When I'm able to clear out Dreadnought's Drift by myself (because my H/h were being suicidal) with my standard build...yeah. Personally, I run Monk as my secondary. Condition removal FTW.

Apr 25, 2009, 10:20 AM // 10:20	#36
Pipili Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Apr 2009	But with dervish i CAN have ALL skills, if i have NF and EOTN, right?